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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote vinn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/24/2019 at 11:03
   happens in the best of familys,   a semi kill shot.   some guys carried a 1911 .45 to bring um down.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote supertool73 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/24/2019 at 11:45
It happens sometimes.  Even with a good shot and the best intentions they get away.  My dad shot a deer years ago, it went down the first shot.  It was a really nice 5 point muley.  We waited 20 minutes and watched it, it never moved.  Slowly walked up on it and it jumped up and took off, he shot is again and it went down for a bit, but jumped up and took off.  Lots of blood.  We literally tracked it all day long, 3 of us.  Next day came back and tracked it more, but eventually the blood stopped and we could not find it any more.  Miles of tracking.  Sad deal for sure. 

He had something similar with an elk once, shot it twice with a 7mm mag.  It went down, we waited nearly an hour.  Went up to it, it jumped up and ran off.  We tracked it all day long in the thick oak and brush.  Never found it. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8shots Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/24/2019 at 23:43
The one that still brings tears to my eyes....I shot a massive kudu bull at about a 300yds distance. It went down. By the time we got to the spot it had gotten up and was gone. Lots of blood...we followed bloodspoor for about 3 hours. Then it got dark. Next day we picked up where we had left off. Pretty soon the blood became drops here and there and then nothing.

Someone else shot that bull a year later. The landowner phoned me to tell me. The wound mark was still visible. The shot had gone to high, missing the lungs but not hitting the spine. Worst news was this bull came in at 65 inches. A massive monster I have been hunting for all my life....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kickboxer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/25/2019 at 07:33
Yes, I understand that "things happen".  
My biggest frustrations here are 1) there is a crowd that condones/brags about shooting but not killing their prey (which generally means that if there were not a grocery store nearby, they would starve to death)... they take no responsibility for what they've done, find no problem with causing another creature to suffer, basically don't care.  They don't shoot well... and don't care.  Hitting a 3'x3' target "somewhere" at 50 yards is "good enough" to go hunt and take a shot at any range.  I know one guy here who brags about how many deer he shoots, "gets blood", and then can't find...2) then there are poachers who combine all the traits above and go the further step of not obeying the hunting laws... think they can hunt whenever and wherever they want to with no consequence and if one "gets away"... oh well, I'll get the next one (maybe)... but once again, don't care (except possibly that they wasted a bullet).  This is not from anecdote, I've seen it, heard it, as well as having others tell me of their participation or of the participation of others.  
I have nothing but contempt for these actions and the people who perform them.  

I have great respect for people who hunt, truly hunt.  There is a bond among us, respect for each other and for the animals.  Caring, knowing that you are about to end a life, celebrating that life by providing food to continue other lives, make life better for family and friends, perhaps even the indigent (Hunters for the Hungry, etc).  Trying to make sure you cause as little pain as possible through your actions.  I had a doe tag in Texas many years ago.  I was excited, I was going to get to shoot a doe.  Saw one, took it... then it's fawn (older, out of spots, but still young enough to be staying with Mom) ran out.  I can sometimes still hear it bleat, calling to its mother, see it running in circles around its dead mother, trying to push her, make her get up... the panic, pain and fear in that sound has never left me, the vision returns every time I hunt... it still burns me deep inside.  I am much more cautious now... I have never made a mistake like that again.  "I learned... compassion".


 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BeltFed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/25/2019 at 09:29
Dan, I've had 2 friends that did the same thing when hunting on my place. Both wanted me to take the 2 fawns that were with the doe, and both times I refused. Both have all but quit hunting. Age and finding time to hunt have a lot to do with it, but I know those fawns have something to do with it too. There's still plenty of deer around my place.
I don't hunt much myself anymore, but it's because I don't have much time, and I'm too lazy to drag a deer up 200 feet of steep hill.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jonoMT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/25/2019 at 12:58
About 5 or 6 years ago, when I went to pick up elk meat from a game processor, the owner said, "I have something to show you," then pulled out a chunk of meat about 2 x 2 inches and a foot long with a scarred wound channel in it. Someone several years earlier had shot that cow right in the hindquarters...almost certainly from behind. She'd obviously recovered fairly well since I recall her looking normal.

But I hate shots like that. I can't tell you how many times my first (and often only view) of an elk has been that distinctive light patch on its rear. The thought of gut shooting an animal is shameful and unsporting. If you hunt long enough, you're eventually going to lose an animal or bird. I just wish these jerks would at least get to the range like most of us and take a little pride in a clean shot.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cyborg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/26/2019 at 12:53
Never could and still can't wrap my brain around someone bragging that they can't shoot accurately enough to make a kill. But we have those people here in Ga. as well. Our Hunting club we have a mandatory zero policy. We have to confirm with two witnesses that the rifle we hunt with is zeroed. We have to confirm that we can shoot a target at 30 yards with the bow that we hunt with. There will always be those bad luck days, nothing will ever change that, but taking steps to ensure that the Hunter is and his equipment is up to the task, is a step in the right direction. Especially given the political climate that are dealing with these days.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kickboxer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/27/2019 at 17:47
The wounded 8-point was back tonight... had 5 does with him.  I heard one of them say "that Bad Boy got shot... and he's STILL a STUD."  He's still got some pain, not as fast as he has been, but moving pretty well.  Stood up on his back legs to make a scrape.  I am positive it was a .22 he was shot with.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lockjaw Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/28/2019 at 17:13
I shot a doe this year with my cross bow and couldn't find it. Found the bolt, minus the fletching Saw the lighted nock disappear into the deer. 370 FPS with a 125 grain muzzy hybrid broadhead. 2 5/8ths oval cutting hole. I have never heard something thump a deer as hard and as loud. Sounded like I slapped it with a 2x4. 

No blood where the bolt was. I went to the last place I saw it, no blood. It was a damp day, and we had a very slight drizzle. This is the 5th deer I have shot with archery equip. I looked in the rain until I got lost and had to use my phone just to figure out where I was. 

First one dropped in its tracks. Second ran 30 yards and piled up. 3rd I hit in the neck and dropped it. 4th arrow broke off in the deer. Never found it or a drop of blood, and then there is this one. 

I eat mine, so I shoot them to take them out. I have seen the same bullets out of the same box drop one deer in its tracks, and the next, it runs off and you have to go find it. 

Last deer I shot this year was with my 308 and precision hunter ELDX. Dropped it. It flopped around for about a minute. Then got up and hobbled off the green field. It was shot a little far back, no blood trail besides what was right out in the field. It was raining. I found it. By sheer luck. 

I can sit there off a bench with any of my rifles and put up a 1 inch group or less. I practice with my bow out to 45 yards and inside 25, the deer is dead if I get a pass thru. Cross bow is dead on and I have the hash marks on the scope labeled on the stock. 

Most impressive blood trails I have seen lately are 30-30 FTX. Waiting to bust one with my 450 Bushmaster and see what that looks like. 
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